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Hi everyone,

My name's Robin. I'm French and I'm here to learn (Shetland) Nynorn. I'm of Norwegian/German descent, and I started learning Norwegian some years ago, when I realized the importance of the heritage my family had lost throughout the decades. From then on grew a kind of passion for Scandinavian languages, and when I heard about Nynorn, I decided to be a part of its revival. If not by creating it, at least by learning it, and doing what I do best : writing poetry in Nynorn.
Therefore, I hope I will manage to learn this language and write some satisfactory poems.

Nothing else left to say for now.


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Hi Robin, welcome to our club!
Your help in the development of Nynorn will be more than welcome!


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Hi Kraaka !

Nice to meet an other frenchman on this forum.


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Hi everyone,

I joined this forum because of an old interest in Norn and Scandinavian languages in general. As far as I can remember I acquired an interest in the Faroe Islands already as a child, because my grandfather visited this country.

I must have been around 13 years old when I came across a book, "Shetland - en rejse i fortid og nutid" by Asger Møller. I think it's still the only monographic description of Shetland in Danish. It's actually a terrible book, a mixture of personal experiences, romantic ideas about a glorious viking past, anger about Scottish "oppression", plus a perceived "Danishness" of these islands, and so on.

In spite of the book's obvious flaws it awoke an interest in Shetland in me, next to my main interest in the Faroes. Since I've always been a bit of a language freak, I found the chapter about Norn intriguing, and I've always tried to gain more knowledge about it. Therefore, I was very happy to find this website.

I've been studying both history and general and comparative linguistics, and I'm still not finished. I hope maybe to combine these disciplines in my Master's degree.

My main interest in Norn is about what can be reconstructed of the phonology, grammar and lexicon. Apart from codifying the language in a phonological script I can also see the idea of devising a "proper" orthography, partly in order to codify the preserved texts for philologists, and partly in order to make a unifying orthography covering all dialects.
For philological purposes I might personally prefer a more etymological spelling of Norn, including letters like á, é, ó, hj-, as long as the inference from letters to sound is unambiguous (but not necessarily the other way round since that would be a phonological script). But I'm not here to start a Cornish orthography strife Wink

The next step, constructing a contemporary language by filling in missing conjugations and lexical items by looking at neighbouring languages, is also interesting to me, and although I think that from a scientific point of view it's always good to be conscious about when one undertakes the scientific task of recontructing a language from known sources and when it's rather the creative task of further constructing a language from one's own ideas, these things certainly don't exclude each other.

I also have a blog, [url]ordinord.blogspot.com[/url], where I occasionally write about Scandinavian subjects in Scandinavian. In my opinion, Danish, Swedish and Norwegian are three dialects of a single language, and I devised an orthography for each of them, which I use in the blog, in order to eliminate all differences that are only due to different spelling traditions. Since only differences reflecting pronunciation differences remain, I argue that, like Bokmål and Nynorsk, these are forms of the same language.

My own knowledge about Norn is limited, but I will pop in here from time to time, mainly to ask questions. Feel free to ask me questions too. My other sparetime project is to devise a common North Frisian orthography covering all dialects.

My languages: Native: Scandinavian. Speak well: English, German. Speak acceptably: French. Read well: Faroese, North Frisian. Read some: Icelandic, Dutch, Romanian. Theoretical knowledge: Greek, Sanskrit, Latin, Gothic.

Troels Peter Roland


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Hi Troels, welcome on board! That's great to hear from people who have been interested in Norn for such a long time. Looking forward to your contributions.

There's another Danish author who has written a lot about Norn, Laurits Rendboe. I'm sure you know his works.

The phonetic reconstruction of Norn and phonological re-interpretation of the existing Norn specimens is a very important task. It will help us to translate the remaining pieces, some of which we still don't understand (like the Eagle's song).

I suggest that you create a topic about this matter where we could discuss it further.


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Hi,
My given name is Shaun, I live on Sanday, Orkney (for the past 12 years). I have had a (very) long term interest in Northern European mythology, the runes, folklore and so on (I did a degree in literature, specialised in pre-modern literature and wrote my final year dissertation on the Old Norse, Icelandic, Old Norwegian & Abecedarium Nordmannicum runepoems). I'm very interested in the idea of learning and helping to re/construct (Ny)Norn, though my language skills in this regard are both poor and somewhat rusty.

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Welcome onboard Shaun! We've already got a few guys from Orkney on this board, and even though they're not very active, the more Orcadians we have here, the better ;)


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Hej Valgarth, i just want to say i welcome, and i totally agree it on the more Orcadians we have the better, you can be our norn-lobbyist in Orkney ;)

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